NDEW 2021: The Evolution of EVs in the Media

September 28, 2021

This live event occurred on September 28, 2021 as part of Generation180’s event series celebrating National Drive Electric Week.

Not only are electric vehicles fun to drive and good for the environment, but they’re also fun to read, write, and hear about. So how do electric vehicles drive media interest? How has electric vehicle media coverage changed over time? Check out the live conversation we had with reporters from Automotive News,, and Grist:


Kay Campbell: Hello, everyone, and welcome to Generation180’s National Drive Electric Week event, the Evolution of EVs in the media. I’m Kay Campbell. I’m Director of Media Relations for Generation180, and I’ll be your host for today’s event. Today, we are joined by 3 esteemed panelists: our moderator, Selika Josiah Talbott, from American University, Energy and Environment reporter Maria Gallucci, and Audrey LaForest with Automotive News. And I’d also like to say a special thank you to our team members working behind the scenes to help support this event. But before we get started, I want to tell you briefly about Generation180. Next slide, please.

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Next slide, please. So a few quick housekeeping items before we get started. All attendees will remain on mute throughout the event. And please use the Q&A to submit your questions. Feel free to submit those throughout the event, and we will get to as many of your questions as we can over the next hour. Now, without further ado, let’s hear from our moderator and our guests Selika. Do you want to kick us off and introduce yourself?

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Selika Josiah Talbott: Sure thank you and good morning, everyone. I appreciate the introduction, Kay. Welcome, as she said to our panel on the evolution of EVs in the media. Essentially, the role that the media plays with respect to electric vehicles. My name is Selika Josiah Talbott, I’m a professorial lecturer at American University and the founder of a company that strategize on new mobility research, write and lecture on equity and transportation. And I’m passionate about how I believe New mobility can transform our planet, autonomous electric connected shared. These are all buzzwords in the industry, but as we’ve heard so often these last few years, the media does play a significant role in society when it comes to the dissemination of information, but they are importantly serving also as a scrutinize or watchdog. They can filter information to bring us the most relevant and salient points and present a story. They often play a large-sized role in directing the focus of society at large. And when we look at technology’s influence on the media, we can certainly say from the advent of radio to broadcast television services and then the internet, the way we get our information, the speed in which the information is provided and how often we receive that information has all transformed over the last century worldwide. And incomes now, this disruptive technology, a new way of thinking where we are concerned about environmental and social implications. And now the birth of an electric vehicle movement. Of course, the media should play a very large role in this space. Of course, the media would help to usher in a daily conversation about how electric vehicles can change our lives. And of course, they provide a clear understanding of what’s at stake, what it will cost and who will be impacted. As my mantra goes, transportation is mobility and mobility is freedom. Electric vehicles will certainly be a part essential part of the future of transportation globally, how we get there and ensuring that all are able to take this journey, I believe, is also a media responsibility. And to that end, I am pleased to present our panelists and ask them to provide a brief introduction of themselves, starting with Maria Gallucci. Maria.

Maria Gallucci: Thank you, and thank you for that introduction. Yeah, my name is Maria Gallucci. I am a freelance reporter. I’m a regular contributor for Grist and Tripoli Spectrum and other publications. And I read a lot about clean energy development in general, but electric transportation as well. And I’m really interested in stories that focus on the technology aspects of the exciting innovation, but also sort of the real world implications in terms of reducing emissions, reducing air pollution and how these sorts of technologies roll out in real communities.

ST: Thank you, Maria. Audrey.

Audrey LaForest: Hi everyone, I am Audrey LaForest, I’m the Washington, D.C., reporter for Automotive News, where I cover auto policy, regulation, and pretty much anything auto and government related going on. I was based in Detroit initially because of the pandemic, but happy to say that I’m officially in Washington, DC as of June of this year.

ST: Glad you could be here! I’ll start with you, Maria. When did you first start covering electric vehicles in your work? Certainly what was your impression of EVs back then?

MG: Sure, so I really started focusing or covering EVs in 2011, that’s when I started at inside climate news. And focused a lot on what’s interesting. I was reading back on some of the stories that I wrote. Then in preparation for this panel and a lot of the same issues I wrote about, then we’re still discussing today building up charging infrastructure. Vehicle to grid pilots or systems that use the batteries in electric vehicles to connect to the grid for storage and other services. My impression at the time, I think I thought it was a really novel kind of maybe a little bit out there technology. And certainly I was aware of earlier efforts to develop electric vehicles. So this wasn’t the first go around, but it just at the time, it was a much smaller portion of the transportation picture. I think in 2011, there were about 15,000 all electric passenger EVs on the roads, and now there’s more than a million. So that was sort kind of an indication of how much it’s grown just in the amount of time I’ve been covering it. The sector? Well, we certainly have seen a tremendous amount of growth. Audrey, when did you first start covering evs? And also, I guess the same question for you, what was your impression back then? Yeah so I had an interesting introduction to the EV world, so I started covering parts of the EV industry and whatnot in 2017, when I was writing for plastics news, which is another crane communications publication. So I was focused more so on the auto suppliers plastics injection molders, kind of making the parts that would go into the vehicles. So in around that time, really, the conversation was about materials that would eventually go into those vehicles and what some of the auto suppliers were doing in terms of battery covers and lightweighting making the vehicles lighter since the battery packs are heavy. But when I would attend auto conferences, the conversation was still EVs are coming, but you know, maybe there’s still a ways off. You know, we still have all of these challenges to figure out. And I think the interesting now is the conversation has really shifted to EVs are definitely coming. Like we’ve got automakers and government aligned in saying that the future is electric. So it’s really I think for me, it seems like it’s really sped up. It certainly has, and I think that that’s a big piece of it. We had companies who were sort of fighting the EV movement back then and now, as you said. The manufacturers and government are sort of hand in hand moving us to this, to this new world where we’re going to have to see ice go away and this will be the predominant vehicles on the road. Or what component of this EV transition do you cover the most in your work? I know that there’s areas that are environmental, climate related, policy, education. What’s what’s your niche? Yeah, so for me, as the Washington reporter, policy is definitely the top priority for me. So basically, I’m looking at everything that’s going on primarily at the federal level to either support or slow a transition to electric vehicles since a lot of our readers at automotive news are part of the auto industry, including dealers. So I’m looking at what a lot of the automotive trade associations are doing, what they’re lobbying for, what policies they support or what policies they might oppose, and basically how including how dealers will be affected by what’s going on in Washington. So I try to give our readers really an inside look into everything going on Capitol Hill that might trickle down to the state level. And I guess these days, there’s a lot going on Capitol Hill when it comes to infrastructure.

ST: Oh Yes. Never a dull moment. Exactly Maria, do you have a particular niche also in the EV area? Is it climate, environmental policy technology with your space?

MG: I kind of. I cover a broad range of EV related issues, but lately a lot of the work I’ve been doing for grist, which is focused on climate justice and solutions. So I’ve been writing stories that look at the transition to electrified transportation from an equity line. So who are the communities? Where are EV Chargers being installed? Who can access them electric buses? How does that help increase access to electrified transportation or the shift toward heavy duty freight trucks, other kinds of electric vehicles? How does that improve air quality in vulnerable disadvantaged communities and kind of expand the benefits of an electric car beyond just the individual level? So, yeah, focusing more recently on equity, the sort of equity lens. But also I’ve written about the technology components, sort of the cutting edge research into the actual drive trains and things like that themselves.

ST: OK and, you know, I think that’s a good point. We spend a lot of time really concentrating on the passenger vehicle, but we see regulation and laws across the country now that are also impacting freight. And so we have to think about these trucks and buses, whether they be school buses or motor coach buses, and how they will be impacted by the shift to electric vehicles. Given that you’re each covering sort of different part of the EV reporting space, is there something that you find your readers to be most interested in when it comes to this area? So I’ll take the question to both of you.

AL: I think for the automotive news readers, they’re definitely interested in what’s going on in Washington, especially right now, just because, you know, President Biden has been pretty clear that some of his centerpiece policy issues are centered on the climate, and EVs are a big part of that. And I know one of the things that has stirred up a lot of automakers and other groups in the industry is on the EV tax credits. What the house proposed, as well as what has been proposed in the Senate in terms of the Union bonus that the EVs would get. And as I’m sure you guys know, not all automakers here in the US operate unionized factories. So yeah, it’ll be interesting to see how that plays out as the reconciliation bill. Is it reaches the House floor. And then what happens in the Senate ultimately, so that’s definitely top of mind for our readers, I think.

ST: Maria, what about your readers?

MG: Sure, so I think that folks who read my story might be interested in learning about how the infrastructure technology is rolling out in their communities, or maybe sort of what does this news mean for me in my community beyond just sort of announcements and things like that? What’s actually being built? How can I access it? Not so much service journalism per say, but kind of even just talking with my friends when they ask me what I’m working on. They’re really intrigued by it. OK, well, what could that look like here in my neighborhood?

ST: So, you know, in this new technology-based world, we have an opportunity to gauge the kind of interactions our readers have with us when we have a publication. So if we write something, we can see that this is getting a significant amount of engagement on Twitter or in some other social media space. Is there a particular topic that you either one of you write on and I’ll start with you, Maria. That seems to get the most audience engagement with respect to electric vehicles.

MG: That’s a good question, I don’t I don’t as a freelancer, I actually don’t see the numbers too much, but I do know that battery related stories get a lot of interest, so kind of from the technology standpoint. And there’s as EVs become more prevalent, there’s a lot more conversation about the materials used to make these batteries. Supply chain issues that are disrupting battery production. How do we recycle them? What does it mean? What is what is the pollution impact of creating a world of batteries? So I think that that’s something that sort of beyond the EV itself, folks are really interested in learning about. 

ST: And Audrey, are you seeing some metrics in terms of what gets the most engagement? 

AL: Yeah, I mean, I think right now it’s hard for any story, right, to really gain more audience eyes other than the chip shortage has been probably primarily the most popular of stories that we write about that has the most reader engagement, which I’ll tie that to the electric vehicles because it’s a supply chain issue. And so, you know, automakers, including the government, are trying to figure out how to build a domestic EV supply chain here, especially with the raw materials and batteries. And that’s a big challenge. And we’re kind of seeing what can happen when there’s a pandemic or something else unforeseen that disrupts the global supply chain for the necessary items that automakers and others rely on. So I think supply chain stories are definitely the biggest ones that get the most reader engagement right now.

ST: OK so you both have been in space where you’ve been reporting on electric vehicles for some time now during that period of time. Have you seen a change in the audience who’s following you, who’s interested in these discussions? Who’s participating? So I’ll start with you, Maria.

AL: OK, I’ll just go ahead. I think for our readership, it’s like I said our readers are in the auto industry primarily, but I think what we’ve maybe seen is that there’s other stakeholders that are interested in what we’re reporting on now since we do have such a close eye on the auto industry. So there might be maybe some more people from different policy areas or various think tanks and things like that. I think maybe our audience or our readership has extended to those areas a little bit. 

ST: Maria, have you seen a change in your audience? 

MG: Yeah let’s say generally that maybe what once felt like sort of a specialized or niche topic now feels more general and that there are folks who are concerned about or even just interested in clean energy development and sustainability issues who are kind of engaging with electric vehicle. Related stories. Whereas maybe before it would be the people who are geeking out over the latest Tesla developments or something like that. 

ST: And I think I also find that the conversation is now being had in places you least suspect the grocery store line, you know, grandma at the dinner table. More and more people are getting interested in the notion of an electric vehicle world. I want to. Turn to how media coverage of electric vehicles has changed. You know, Maria, you mentioned when you were first covering the industry, there were about 15,000 EVs on the road and today we have more than a million. How has media coverage changed in that time? Sort of in a totality not looking at you necessarily specifically, but what do you see as changes that have taken place? 

MG: Yeah, that’s a good question. I think that in general, the media, especially reporting on technology, trying to strike a balance between being excited about a new development and being skeptical about something or potentially even critical about it. And I think maybe when I first started reporting on electric vehicles, there was definitely a greater amount of skepticism because really we hadn’t seen the development that we’ve seen today. And so and it’s not always clear if promises and projects are going to pan out. So I think now the tone maybe is a little bit. This is sort of a Audrey was saying earlier to not will it happen, but it is happening the transition to electric vehicles. So and there’s still skepticism and criticism, but it’s maybe about what the transition looks like versus we will it even happen? Can we even do it? 

ST: Audrey, are you seeing those kinds of changes as well? 

AL: Yeah, I certainly agree. I mean, when I was covering auto suppliers in the plastics industry, they were starting to think about, OK, how do we get involved in the EV market? How can we maybe integrate some parts of what’s needed in electric vehicles into what we offer, what we make to? Whereas now, at least from a supplier standpoint, you’re seeing maybe companies actually making moves in terms of acquisitions or merging with other bigger suppliers that already have a piece of the EV pie. And I think really, from the media perspective, it’s really accelerated. And like Maria had said too, it’s. It’s not in a question of if, it’s a question of maybe how soon does this big transition really happen to where consumers aren’t really asking the question, is this a vehicle? Is this vehicle electric? It just it is electric or fuel cell? And I think from the automakers standpoint, I mean, the industry it’s been reported by 2025 will invest over $300 billion in electrification. You see that in the product that’s coming down the pipeline. Ford just yesterday had the announcement with sk innovation, their battery supplier that they’re investing $11 billion in to make electric vehicles and batteries in Kentucky and Tennessee. So I mean. That I mean, that is something that Ford has said is their single. Their largest manufacturing investment to date, so it’s definitely shifted the conversation a lot, I think. I think it’s changing. 

ST: I agree with that. We’ve seen a real move of who was getting involved in the discussion and what we’re discussing. And like anything else that we’re talking about these days, we have to mention the pandemic because it’s all around us. And an impacting almost every facet of our lives. Have you seen any impact to electric vehicle coverage as a result of the pandemic? I’m not sure, Audrey, you know, as you’re dealing with manufacturers, and we did mention that the chip shortage and in some are certainly laying that at the feet of the pandemic. But are there other changes in EV coverage that you can say are related to the pandemic? 

AL: I mean, other than the chip shortage, I mean, the chip shortage has had the biggest impact for sure, just because automakers have had to figure out how to what, like what, where to cut production or halt production, how to build certain vehicles without the chips kind of planning around that. But other pandemic related impacts on EVs or EV coverage, I’m not sure. Maybe I could. Just given that for over a year, we weren’t all able to really meet or talk or discuss things like business related, of course, to like we were used to. Maybe that kind of delayed some decision making or planning, but nothing that nothing that I’ve noticed or that I can think of right now. 

ST: All right, Maria, are you seeing impacts to the EV coverage as a result of the pandemic?

MG: Well, I think certainly at the start of the pandemic in spring 2020, when we were in the United states, seeing sort of the initial lockdowns and fewer cars, drastically fewer cars were on the roads and we noticed, oh, this is what it’s like when you don’t have a bunch of tailpipes spewing pollution that there was, at least in my own coverage, sort of more of an emphasis on the air quality benefits of eliminating gasoline and diesel combustion and thinking about that from a passenger vehicle standpoint. But certainly the potential benefits of switching heavy duty transportation buses, school buses, et cetera, to batteries or fuel cells. So I think that it’s sort of really illustrated in a very visceral way what it looks like when the roads are cleaner. And I’ve been thinking about that, even myself, I live near a highway and it makes me think about, oh, wasn’t that time was nice when it was kind of quiet. Now it’s noisy again. 

ST: I think we’re on the roads now almost more than we were beforehand because of the use of our personal cars. Audrey how have the current, I should say, the change in administration? What could you say is the difference in the coverage now that we have a President Biden administration and their views on electric vehicles? 

AL: Yeah, so I started out as the Washington reporter for automotive news in February 2020 20, so kind of right before we all started working from home. And I got the tail end of the Trump administration covering what they were doing. And, you know, primarily at that time, the main focus was usmca, trade tariffs and other actions obviously related to figuring out how to address the pandemic and whatnot. And a lot of those actions did impact the auto industry as well. But you didn’t hear you didn’t really hear that much from President former President Trump about electric vehicles. Some might say that he wasn’t the biggest fan of EVS, but under the Biden administration, from the automotive viewpoint, it has definitely his focus has really been about the climate goals cutting greenhouse gas emissions and EVs are absolutely a huge part of that. And you, you see it and you hear it and you read it from the administration all the time. I mean, electric vehicles are in. I won’t say all of the president’s executive orders that he’s issued since his inauguration, but they’re in a lot of them when I do a word search scanning them. They pop up quite a bit. And even from a congressional standpoint, there you see Congress talking a lot more about electric vehicles and things like that and infrastructure more so than under the Trump administration, I think. 

ST: I want to turn to a topic that near and dear to my heart, is the issue of equity. And Maria, I’m going to direct this question first to you from a national perspective. Have you seen a change in the conversation when it comes to having these be more accessible or affordable? From an equity standpoint.

MG: I think so, and certainly just speaking for myself and my own coverage, I think the conversation has shifted from not just sort of the, you know, these early adopter types who have the resources financially and knowledge to adopt these views and more about how can we increase access to electric vehicle charging infrastructure? Yeah so I think there’s been a shift in not just about who can access EVs and how, but also what does a more equitable transportation system look like as a whole, not just replacing internal combustion engines for batteries but creating networks. As you said, sort of mobility is freedom. So connecting people to bus stops and subway stations and sort of the I think there’s an appreciation for the need to look at transportation more holistically as well. 

ST: Now, I like the idea. One of the things that I talk about is a transportation network in the future. So instead of looking at transportation in silos, the opportunity to look at it really very globally. So that you can get people from point A to point b, and it could include a variety of modes of transportation, whether it’s on foot, on an electric bicycle or an electric vehicle or an electric bus. I want to ask you. To that end, about what I see is EV trends or developments. Are there any EV trends or developments that have kind of surprised you or caught you off guard? I’ll start with Audrey. You know, what kind of changes have you seen or trends that surprised you in this industry? 

AL: I’m not I’m not sure about anything that’s surprised me, per say, I think really any trend or news that comes out that helps close the gap on battery range and access to public charging is interesting just because those are really stepping stones for potentially getting more consumers to consider buying any of it kind of ties into the equity equity, affordable accessibility conversation that you had spoken to Maria about. Because if you think about consumers in rural areas, I think a lot of people are still wondering, well, what does this mean for me? Or this doesn’t affect me? I don’t understand why there’s so much focus on this because they’re just. You know, they don’t have access to charging infrastructure the way that areas closer to bigger cities might, and that’s definitely that’s an access to charging infrastructure for sure. Is is a big challenge. And so I’m looking forward to seeing how that trend develops down the road. 

ST: Maria, is there something that you can say with an EV trend or development that may have surprised you or something you’re looking forward to? 

MG: Yeah, I think one thing that surprised me, or I guess maybe I was really interested to learn that was happening was sort of the rapid growth of electric bus adoption globally because in the US it’s there is some and some cities are adopting buses. It’s certainly more so now in recent years. But worldwide, China, of course, being sort of the top EV market, but also in Latin America, African cities, we’re seeing a lot of electric bus adoptions. And so that was really interesting to me too, because being based in the US writing about US clean energy development, sometimes I tend to think about things through that lens, but it’s happening globally. And there are different challenges to rolling out electrified transportation. Different kind of climate conditions. And different access to ExaGrid Infrastructure and resources. So I think just sort of learning that it’s not, it’s happening worldwide and it has sort of it’s a different story everywhere you look. 

ST: That’s a good point. And I guess I want to. I want to kind of develop that area that you just talked about a little bit, I’ll ask Maria this question and move to Audrey as well. Do you see distinct differences in the coverage of electric vehicles in the United States versus maybe certain parts of the world or specific nations around the world? 

MG: I think that well, I guess the sort of overgeneralize, I think in general with clean energy policies and EV development as well in other countries, it’s not so controversial. It’s sort of this is something that’s interesting and that’s happening, whereas here it’s sort of maybe it’s more politicized in a way that than it is in other countries. 

ST: Audrey, what do you have an opinion on? Are there differences in other countries or other specific regions of the world when it comes to evs? 

AL: Yeah, I mean, I really agree with what Maria said, that maybe it’s a little bit more politicized here. And I think we can see that in some of the conversations that are coming out because of actions that the Biden administration is pursuing. And just from the automaker announcements as well. I think also maybe it points to the US and the lack of. Reliable public transportation here. You know, it’s. I’m from metro Detroit, so it’s, you know, Detroit’s a big city, but everyone has a personal vehicle. We are a driving city to where, yes, people do use the buses there, but it’s there. It’s if you have to get to your job or an appointment, you’re better off driving yourself there. There have been some improvements improvements with that. But you know, I think it’s just, yeah, I think in other countries, public transportation is just it’s just something that you do. It’s there and it’s reliable and here it’s a challenge. 

ST: Maria, what do you see as your role as a journalist, as we have this transition to clean energy in terms of how it relates to electric vehicle adoption? 

MG: I see my role as really, I guess it sounds basic, but giving people information, maybe answering questions that they have. As I was saying in my friends and kind of my personal life, it’s people are starting to talk more about electric cars and they’re curious. And so as a journalist, I think it’s my role is to kind of look at what’s going on, where are the interesting pilot projects, where the interesting technology developments and policies, investments to expand infrastructure, et cetera? But then what are the challenges and why hasn’t why haven’t EVs been adopted more widely, more quickly? What could hold them back? So kind of giving them the full context, I think, not just hyping it or sort of being swinging too far in the other direction with skepticism, but sort of showing them what’s happening, what’s possible and how to get there. 

ST: OK and Audrey, I guess I’ll ask you the same question. Do you see yourself having a specific role when it comes to EV adoption? 

AL: Yeah, I think just being here in Washington, d.c., although it’s a little bit more difficult to meet with people, given that we’re still in a pandemic. But I really think that my role is to shed light on a lot of the things that are happening in Washington and on Capitol Hill and how that affects the auto industry, whether that’s in Congress or coming from President Biden or even among the many auto trade associations here that represent dealers and automakers and suppliers. You know, I’m really here to sort through some of the regulatory and policy issues that come up, especially as EVs gain broader acceptance and just ultimately what it means for the auto industry. And how they’re a part of the solution or just the issue in general. 

ST: You know, one of the statements that we’ve seen is that there is a decline. It may be a little small, I think, but a decline in the use of or the ownership of a personal passenger vehicle. Do you think that that’s the case, and then how long we would get to a period from where we would be moving from a nation that is reliant, as you had said, on a personal vehicle ownership and moving more towards shared and connected and eventually a fully electric vehicle ownership? So I’ll start with you, Maria, on that question. 

MG: Sure, so, but I have seen Bloomberg, new energy finance head sort of projections that maybe we’ve kind of the internal combustion engine sales have peaked potentially, and I don’t really have as full of a picture as maybe an analyst for it. But I can say my own life that I purchased the car recently, and it was a gas car. Because I live in New York city, I don’t have any place to charge an electric vehicle. I often visit family in Ohio and there’s not. There are a few charging stations for Teslas along the way, but not sort of a reliable, reliable, robust infrastructure network. And so I think for me, it’s kind of. I don’t know, I it’s hard to say how long it’ll take to make that transition. And with the pandemic and to now I have a baby, we’re driving a lot. Way more than we used to before we didn’t drive at all because we have this wonderful public transportation in New York. So, yeah, it’s I feel, I guess, a little bit. Like, maybe shameful is not the right word, but it’s sort of a bit, you know, it helps me appreciate the challenges of scaling electric transportation. I guess, though, I did read that the MTA is implementing dozens of electric public buses. So that could be a way to access it better. 

ST: I think what you said is really important. There are significant number of challenges that individuals face personally, when even if your heart is there, is the infrastructure in existence that will allow you to make that transition. So I’m reading the same reports that you are that we are allegedly on a decline. I’m not sure if the pandemic has sort of plateaued that for a little bit. And until we see a further decline. What is your perspective on that? 

AL: I mean, I think in terms of your question earlier about shared mobility, personal vehicle ownership, I think. That is something that’s harder to predict right now, just given the pandemic to where we’ve seen consumers getting back into vehicles, vehicle demand has been pretty high. And, you know, it’s kind of maybe delayed or shaken up the whole idea of shared mobility when we’re trying to social distance and avoid other people’s germs and whatnot. So I think that part that piece of it is a little bit challenging just given the pandemic. And you know what, where we’re all at on the other side of this in terms of the end of the internal combustion engine. I’m not sure I’m ready to put an end date on it yet, but I think the auto industry has been very clear about the direction that they’re headed in or that they want to head in and that but they’ve also been very clear that support and that transition is absolutely dependent on the support that they get from government, either at from the federal, state and local level and the partnerships that develop within or among the private sector to foster greater consumer adoption. Whether that’s in terms of the purchase incentives, but also charging infrastructure, which is key right now, we need that nationwide charging infrastructure. So that you feel confident to travel certain distances in an electric vehicle, as well as figuring out the whole domestic supply chain challenge. So there’s a lot of questions still. So we’ll see down the road how they get answered. 

ST: I’m going to ask you both a final question before we go to take some questions from our audience. And I think that this is sort of like some what makes you most hopeful about the future of transportation electrification? Maria, I’ll start with you on that one. 

MG: I think I guess what makes me hopeful is that the progress that the industry has seen to date. The even though it’s still relatively limited, the fact that more than a million electric cars are on US roads today, infrastructure is rolling out. There is a real it seems to be a real commitment for manufacturers and policymakers to electrify transportation and sort of a growing acknowledgment of the dangers in the health impacts that we expose people to by burning fossil fuels and for transportation for all energy sources. So I think it makes me helpful that it seems that the broader public is convinced that these are issues worth addressing and that progress is being made. 

AL: Right I think for me, I mean, I tend to ask people a similar question just because when I look at this great big transition that the auto industry is undertaking and that the US is undertaking, it just seems like it seems like a lot. It seems like there are just a lot of challenges that are unresolved and a lot of questions that are still unanswered. So, you know, for me, sometimes it’s easy to be more of a pessimistic and to maybe question the pace or the likelihood of a smooth transition. But there are a lot of people out there much more involved in the EV world and policy world that are really doing a great job at figuring this out, and they enjoy taking on these challenging questions and coming up with solutions. So that’s really what makes me hopeful when I talk to people, policymakers, stakeholders, et cetera, who have really kind of made it their life goal to see this through. 

ST: So thank you both so much. I’m going to turn it over to Kay, who is going to take some questions from the audience. So Kay, back to you. 

KC: Great thank you, Selika. So now we will take some questions from the audience as a reminder, if you have any questions, please submit them in the Q&A. Here’s a question that I love I think folks would love to hear everyone’s response to. As with all current media, there is a prevalence of misinformation out there. How do you see the related stories dealing with misinformation? And, Maria, do you want to take it first? 

MG: Sure, I guess, well, I’m not sure if the question is asking if the media is perpetuating the misinformation or if there’s misinformation that the media sort of correcting. Do you have a sense? 

KC: I would. I don’t know, but I would say the former. Let’s take that stance on it. 

MG: Sure. I’m sorry, could you repeat the question? No, I’m sorry. 

KC: No, no, no worries. So given that there’s a lot of misinformation out there, do you think let’s say let’s raise it this way, do you think that media plays a role in perpetuating this information? Do they have a responsibility to correct it? 

MG: I think if the media is perpetuating misinformation, they should correct it. I think that, you know, as a reporter who works with other reporters, I would say that’s never the goal, at least among genuine journalists. You know, we strive to be truthful. I think there’s a challenge at times, maybe in covering technology in particular because there is an exciting development. There’s a start up that says something, something really big and flashy, and we repeat that. And so the onus is on us really to maybe challenge that or look into it more deeply. But I know it’s tricky because especially for news organizations that are dependent on clicks and traffic, that a story with Elon Musk and the headline is going to do way better than, you know, it just it’s going to do well. So there’s sort of maybe a tendency to cover certain topics, certain people because of how well it will do. But I do think that misinformation should be correct. Corrected I don’t necessarily agree that it’s a problem beyond genuine mistakes that happen. 

KC: OK, Audrey, would you like to comment? 

AL: Yeah, I mean, from my position at automotive news, obviously, if we get something wrong, then it’s absolutely our duty to correct it and to publish a correction as needed. I think also as a reporter, it’s important for us to talk to a variety of sources to where we can really get a handle on the EV related topic. And that can also be a challenge. Just because we’re not the people working on EVs per se. We’re reporting on the information that’s, you know, that’s newsy or that’s timely or that’s being distributed by the companies or people that we cover. I think from my perspective, when government says they’re going to do xyz or an automaker says they’re going to do xy z, then it’s my responsibility to kind hold them accountable and to follow up with them afterward to see if they’re following through with their commitment or whatever they said that they were going to do, especially in terms of some of these EV related announcements and whatnot. 

KC: Makes sense. Thank you. Actually, I’d like to pose this question to Selika: as a founding partner of autonomous vehicles consulting and someone who covers both EVs and autonomous vehicles. How would you say that these two technologies are related and from your perspective, will acceptance and evolution go hand in hand? 

ST: Thanks for the question. I often think that EVs are really a roadmap for AVs as we see government and manufacturers now hand in hand moving us on this EV roll. I think the same thing will have to happen for AVs to have widespread usage that government and and these manufacturers are going to have to sort of come together and form partnerships. But it all stems around public acceptance and public engagement. We don’t have enough education out there and that goes for both electric vehicles and autonomous vehicles. The notion that an EV or an AV may not be safe is something that we have to dispel with good and proper education. All too often, this is sort of to piggyback on that question. You just asked Maria and Audrey. We have some manufacturers who have created the cult of personality where we’re more focused on the persona than we are the product. And so we’re going to have to pull those apart and explain to people what the benefits are to society at large. And I think if we provide enough education starting at the very young ages, we’ll have mass adoption. 

KC: Thank you, Maria. Audrey, would you like to comment? 

AL: Yeah, I mean, I agree with what Celica said in terms of the education, consumer education being really important, and I think that’s probably an area that maybe as reporters even or companies aren’t doing enough of dealers primarily, you know, when EVs become more readily available, dealers, auto dealers are really going to be, you know, in some cases, the first person that speaks to consumer about an electric vehicle and what they need to know about it. And so the OEM educating the dealer too is going to be really, really important because what goes in the vehicles a little bit different and how the vehicle operates obviously is different, and there’s just different safety risks and service service needs and whatnot. So yeah, I think the education factor is really important to even from a charging standpoint, like how do I how do I charge it? You know, what do I have to do and what shouldn’t I do to maintain a good battery life and whatnot? 

KC: So thank you, Maria, do you want to weigh in? 

MG: I think they’ve responded quite well. 

KC: OK, OK, we’ll move on to another question from the Q&A. This question is: there does not seem to be much coverage of the policies to ban ICE vehicles like California banning the sale of ice cars after 2035. Do you agree that this angle is underreported? Audrey, why don’t we start with you? 

AL: So for us or for me, we don’t focus as much on the state by state issues. My beat tends to skew a little bit more toward the federal issue or federal topics. What’s coming out of the Biden administration? I know that New York had just passed a similar law to what California Gavin Newsom had come out with last year in terms of phasing out sales of new gas powered vehicles by 2035. But, you know, and and maybe it is underreported. I think if you’re in the state of California, you know about that. We did actually cover the California mandate, but I was talking to someone actually last week who said, you know, I was asking them whether these state level mandates put pressure on the federal government and the Biden administration to potentially consider a Zev mandate as well. And she had said that, you know, topics like issues like this usually start at the state by state level, and then it might eventually get addressed by Congress when especially if the auto industry is like, we don’t want to have to deal with a 50 state patchwork of regulations. So they just need they need a national mandate or something. But also, President Joe Biden has said that he’s not going to set a specific target date for the phase out or require it with a mandate or an executive order like that. 

KC: Thank you. Maria? 

MG: Sure I don’t know if it’s under reported, but if it is or even if it’s not, it’s certainly really worth covering. I think it’s a really interesting question. Even I was just kind of rereading the announcement from New York about phasing out internal combustion engines. And I have a lot of questions about what that looks like, especially if the technology is not widely available and accessible by those timelines. So I think it’s definitely an area that the media will and should continue to cover it and think about those logistical challenges and what it actually means in practice. 

KC: OK, thank you. Is there a different media strategy when approaching coverage of personal EVs versus heavy duty vehicles like buses and trucks? And Maria, would you want to weigh in on that? 

MG: Well, I think that when I read about buses and trucks versus passenger cars, I think there’s more of a focus on the air quality benefits in the heavy duty fleet side because they’re such major contributors and they use diesel. So they’re just these sort of big tailpipe emitters and certainly passenger vehicles are as well. But those tend to maybe focus more on the air quality benefits with the bigger cars, whereas the passenger vehicles. It seems kind of more about individual mobility in that way in terms of a strategy, I don’t really I’m kind of thinking a lot about how I report on them differently, but I do think they we do kind of discuss them in different ways. 

KC: Audrey? 

AL: I would say yes, just because at automotive news, we don’t typically focus on heavy duty trucks and buses and whatnot, there are. A probably more than a handful of other business or industry related trade publications that do focus on those two areas specifically. So I would say yes, like in our coverage, it’s definitely split from our focus area. 

KC: OK, great. We are almost out of time, so I want to actually just ask Selika is there any are there any closing remarks you’d like to make or big picture thoughts to share? Given today’s conversation before we wrap up? 

ST: Thank you. I think one of the things that I want people to think about is, you know, mobility impacts us in a variety of ways. It’s not just getting from point A to point b, but how do you access good food, jobs, housing and health care and. The thing that electric vehicles is supposed to sell, because of course, new technology is always supposed to be solving a problem is what’s happening with our environment? What have been the consequences of all this emissions from internal combustion vehicles on our society over time? Electric vehicles do have the ability to not just change emissions that are in the air. It has the opportunity to put hundreds of thousands of people to work, connect people to greater transportation networks so that we start to look at mobility is not just me and how I get from one point to the next, because for me, it might be very easy and my radius of travel could be a five mile distance. But for all the other people that are impacted by it and globally, what affects you affects me in the long run. Transportation is mobility. And with that mobility, it allows people the freedom to access all these important things in our lives. And hopefully, although it sounds sort of lofty and aspirational, is really that we have a better quality of life. So I would encourage people to educate themselves as they can. This isn’t an easy, quick fix. It’s not a tomorrow thing, and we’re going to snap our fingers and the world will be better. But one step at a time, both starting with education and then us.we not just as a city or a state or a nation, but as we globally turn to other and better forms of fuel, we will make our world a better place to live in. Thank you.

KC: Thank you, well-said, and thank you to all of our panelists and to everyone for joining today. Please join us for the rest of our national drive electric week events. They’re going on through Friday. You can find out more about them by visiting it’s also found there in the chat, and the recording of today’s event will be emailed to you. To learn more about generation 180, check out generation 182. And while you’re there, sign the going electric pledge. Thank you for joining us and hope everyone has a great afternoon. 

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